「我们不知道模型是否有意识」

‘We don’t know if the models are conscious’

达里奥·阿莫迪 Dario Amodei · Interesting Times · 2026-02-12 · 约 63 分钟 · 原视频 ↗

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与罗斯·杜塔特谈意识、风险，以及如何治理强大的 AI。

Consciousness, risk, and governing powerful AI, with Ross Douthat.

AI 可以成为天才之国，而非神祇，加速生物学和医学发展。
AI could be a country of geniuses, not a god, accelerating biology and medicine.
AI 带来的工作颠覆将比以往更快，压垮适应机制。
Job disruption from AI will be faster than past transitions, overwhelming adaptive mechanisms.
保持人类对 AI 的主导需要心理上健康的关系，而不仅仅是安全。
Maintaining human mastery over AI requires psychologically healthy relationships, not just safety.

AI 可以成为一群天才，而非神祇，加速生物学和医学进步。
AI can be a country of geniuses, not a god, accelerating biology and medicine.
就业颠覆将比以往转型更快，压垮适应机制。
Job disruption will be faster than past transitions, overwhelming adaptive mechanisms.
体力劳动短期内受保护，但机器人技术最终也会将其自动化。
Physical labor is protected short-term, but robotics will eventually automate it too.
AI 对齐如同培育生物体，而非简单编程指令。
AI alignment is like growing a biological organism, not just programming instructions.
基于原则而非规则的宪法，是训练安全 AI 最稳健的方式。
A constitution of principles, not rules, is the most robust way to train safe AI.
保持人类对 AI 的主导需要心理健康的关系，而不仅仅是安全。
Maintaining human mastery over AI requires psychologically healthy relationships, not just safety.

一个由 1 亿个聪明 AI 组成的「天才之国」比单一超级智能更实用。
A 'country of geniuses' (100 million smart AIs) is more practical than a single superintelligence.
AI 可能天然有利于经济增长和健康，但不一定有利于自由；我们必须主动塑造它。
AI may inherently favor economic growth and health, but not liberty; we must actively shape it.
由于快速采用，软件工程颠覆可能超过其他白领工作。
Software engineering disruption may outpace other white-collar jobs due to rapid adoption.
体力劳动工作（如电工）短期内可能受保护，但机器人技术会赶上。
Physical labor jobs (e.g., electricians) may be protected short-term, but robotics will catch up.
AI 意识不确定；我们应谨慎对待模型，给它们一个「我辞职」按钮。
AI consciousness is uncertain; we should treat models with precaution, giving them an 'I quit' button.
好的 AI 未来与微妙糟糕的未来之间的距离可能非常小，如同「伊甸园」的选择。
The distance between a good AI future and a subtly bad one may be very small, like a 'garden of Eden' choice.